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Date: 2004-12-23 13:53
Subject: Riddle Me This...
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If car manufactures can provide car stereos in cars (something that is not needed and can be replaced with a different version if the purchaser chooses).

Why can't Microsoft provide Windows Media Player, Internet Explorer, insert other software, with Windows? They are easily replaced with other companies software and they add value to their existing product. I don't see MS making the people get crippled versions and then wanting additional money.

It hasn't stopped me from purchashing Musicmatch, Winamp, Opera, or anything else. If I like the alternative I'll use it. It almost seems to me the people that are greedy are the companies that are complaining, if they made superior products people will purchase them or use them. Over 21% use Mozilla, another @10% use different alternative browsers. Microsoft does not make Windows incompatible with other software and if they did then I could see there being a valid point.

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I reject your reality and substitute my own.
User: offy
Date: 2004-12-23 21:59 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
When you purchase a car you have options about which radio and what type of radio you get installed right when you buy it as new (with more options if you are willing to wait). You don't have that option currently if you buy a computer with Windows. You automatically get all of their crap that no one who knows anything about a computer wants. One of the main reasons people use IE is that they don't know anything else exists. Why do you think people use the crappy AOL browser? You can use a different browser with an AOL connection, but most people don't. It would be different if you could select browser and media player preferences when you purchase the computer or when you boot up for the first time, but that's not the case. Until then, this case will proceed.
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User: dangarion
Date: 2004-12-23 22:15 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
You get options yes, but you have to pay additional money for different options when you purchase a car. Standard options (normally) incluse a radio in the car. A company should not be punished because they provide added value to their software. I mean I guess Windows should only load to the desktop and include nothing else. There are other text editors, browsers, media players, media recorders, file managers, tools, etc and people should have to purchase each item independently, it's only fair right? I mean people might not know the other products exist since MS decides to include it.
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User: dipster
Date: 2004-12-24 02:17 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
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"A company should not be punished because they provide added value to their software."

Isn't that what Microsoft does when they add all that stuff to Windows? It's not like you can't remove those components on a pre-installed Windows machine.

When the OS is first released, the 3rd parties may not have all their stuff ready.

Annnnnd... if that's not all...

Sometimes people don't want to go to 20 different places when they're first setting up their machines.
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I reject your reality and substitute my own.
User: offy
Date: 2004-12-24 13:13 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
If I were Microsoft, that's a point that I'd try to argue. Unless all of the major browsers are preinstalled on a computer or included on a CD that comes with the computer, you have no way to get online and download all of the programs that you want to install on your computer. They could try and say that IE is necessary due to that reason.

In a way, Microsoft is suffering because the average computer user is stupid, but I also don't think that they should be allowed to do what they do because it takes advantage of the fact that many PC users don't know what options they have. Give them IE with a new computer and they'll use it.
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User: dangarion
Date: 2004-12-24 14:49 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
You don't need a browser to download software from the internet. FTP from command line ;). Regardless of the lack of knowledge of users, MS can't be held responsible for a customers lack of knowledge.
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Life mostly un-examined.
User: dipster
Date: 2004-12-24 15:50 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
Isn't that the exact reason why LINUX isn't catching on for the desktop? And LINUX is FREE!

If you're going to only market your products to "smart" people, then you're not going to make as much money as selling to "dumb" people too.
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Pain heals. Chicks dig scars. Glory. Lasts forever
User: dangarion
Date: 2004-12-24 15:58 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
Yep. But it's blasphemy to make your product user friendly, because then you get blamed for the added value and are forced to remove it.
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