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Date: 2004-11-10 12:17
Subject: My take on the moral majority... (The OMG DanGarion is being political again post)
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I once considered myself a conservative. Yes I was one of those people, those die hard republicans that believed on god and all that fun stuff. Well I've changed a lot in the past 10 years. Anyway I'm getting away from the point I was going to talk about.

I wanted to talk about my views on abortion. Me personally I'm not a big fan of it, it's not something that (if I was a woman) would do unless I was raped, was a medical reason, or some other dire reason. That's just me, I feel that if I fuck up something I have to deal with the reprecussions of my actions. I would like to think that I am the norm when it comes to peoples views on abortion. I read in a Zogby survey (in Orange County Register) that conservatives put abortion (something like 30%) as one of their deciding factors for who they voted for this year (Total for all people was 16%). I guess this would basically be those Anti-Abortion people. Myself I think that going in for an abortion should be a process just like it is for getting a gun. Yes these are entirely different things, but to me it would make sense. If you are looking into having an abortion you would go to planned parenthood or wherever else and schedule a date for the abortion 1-3 weeks after your first visit, after the visit you would have a consultation with the doctor as well as speak with a consuelor regarding the decision you are making. They would lay out all options that a person could take, abortion, keeping the child, adoption, etc. After these steps are taken they would be able to go along with the procedure. Sometimes people hastily make a choice or decision that they regret, this would give them time to really think about what they are doing. I don't know, am I crazy to think this would work?
I don't know if this is even close to the way it's already done, I've know (and even dated) girls that have had abortions, not many, but I have.

It's my journal I will talk about what I want. If you are going to lambast me about my views I don't want to hear it (although I don't think I said anything earth shattering here), but if you just want to discuss them I'm all for that. I'm ever changing when it comes to my views on just about everything.

I don't even know if I want to get started about gay marriages. I don't think the country is ready for "gay marriages" but I think it could be ready for civil unions. I'm not sure how the wording was for any of the 11 state elections for them were, but I think going for the whole cake instead of just a slice may have hurt it. I'm too busy to see what the exact measures were right now but I know some were just laying out what should be considered a marriage and such. Sometimes you just have to start small to accomplish things.

Ok I'm jumping off my soapbox for now...
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Nom Chompsky: Prior art
User: deathbytamarind
Date: 2004-11-10 20:52 (UTC)
Subject: Abortion
Keyword:Prior art
In California any procedure up to 12 weeks is legal and done anonymously. In some cases a woman can get state funding to get her procedure done.

I won't blab on about my views, but that's the facts there, and I know this because I worked for the CoCo County welfare office where I handled abortion cases.
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Pain heals. Chicks dig scars. Glory. Lasts forever
User: dangarion
Date: 2004-11-10 21:00 (UTC)
Subject: Re: Abortion
So that's 12 weeks, which would be the first trimester. I personally feel that gives someone enough time to make a decision. I know there has been lots of talk recently about abortions beyond the first trimester.

You can blab about your views, I don't mind. I have more myself like the rights of the man responsible for it as well, but I didn't want to open up that can of worms yet.
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Nom Chompsky: roar
User: deathbytamarind
Date: 2004-11-10 22:35 (UTC)
Subject: Re: Abortion
Keyword:roar
I may post the speech I wrote for my speech class, in it I state that I think California abortion law should become federal law because 3 months is enough time to make your choice, and after that, have abortion be on a case-by-case basis with medical concerns being at the top of the list.

I can't in good faith throw a blanket of restriction over abortion but I can't just say, "Let's all abort" either. It needs limits to succeed as an option to help.
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Nom Chompsky: Joe Mauer
User: deathbytamarind
Date: 2004-11-10 22:37 (UTC)
Subject: Re: Abortion
Keyword:Joe Mauer
Also I agree with you, moreso about sexual education and communication so the couple can make a choice together. I've counseled people through these things before, and one of the guys I helped was so distraught about what was happening, he was a wreck for weeks. The woman held it over him and tortured him with it, never committing to any option. She finally got it done, and while it was a difficult decision it was the best one, as they're both in their early 20s and completely unable to support another life.
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Pain heals. Chicks dig scars. Glory. Lasts forever
User: dangarion
Date: 2004-11-11 06:20 (UTC)
Subject: Re: Abortion
I wouold be devestated if I was that guy.
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I reject your reality and substitute my own.
User: offy
Date: 2004-11-10 21:34 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
Living in a state that allows gay marriages, the world has not ended. Boston has not turned into Soddom and Gamorah. The pits of Hell have not opened up and swallowed us. Society is not being undermined. I've yet to witness what it is about same sex marriages that terrifies around half of the country.

I agree with you that the country as a whole is not ready for gay marriages. It's one of those things that makes me ashamed of this country.

The thing is that the marriage isn't the main issue for any of the gays or lesbians that I know. They just want the ability to have the same benefits and legal rights that a man/woman marriage provides. The name of that union isn't the important thing and if not calling it a marriage gets the holy rollers off of the issue and unions can be allowed which allow the same rights as marriage then lets get going. (Of course that begs the question of why should it have to have a different name, but I'm not the person to asnwer that.)

I agree on the abortion issue and I was just thinking of posting something similar to this in my own journal. I think that it is something which needs to exist, but there are some women who use it as a very late means of birth control. Hearing about girls in their 20s who have already had multiple abortions is sickening. I like the ideas that you have and I think that the process through Planned Parenthood might already be something along those lines. I'm not exactly sure of timelines and things like that, but I can find out since Jenne has volunteered with them in the past.

I'm just wondering what happened to this whole separation of church and state thing that was supposed to be a big part of our country. I don't want to watch Georgie turn this into the Christian States of America by turning a lot of his religious beliefs into laws.
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Pain heals. Chicks dig scars. Glory. Lasts forever
User: dangarion
Date: 2004-11-10 21:40 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
Fortunately the president only has veto authority and can't just make up his own laws, and I think that is something people forget sometimes. True he can also choose the justices on the Supreme Court which could then also affect laws but those are two of the main things he does. It's not like he's at his desk writing up laws and throwing them in the books as law (which is a good thing).
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I reject your reality and substitute my own.
User: offy
Date: 2004-11-10 22:09 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
That is very true. I just worry because Bush is already campaigning to have another bill introduced to ban same sex marriages. I'm sure that he'll soon be doing the same thing to make abortions illegal.

I mentioned recently in one of the posts in my journal that we're going to have to rely heavily on our country's system of checks and balances during the next 4 years. Bush is going to be pushing for some fucked up laws to be passed. As he's said, he's looking to spend his political capital. To me, that sounds an awful lot like "You scratch my back and I'll scratch yours." He's helped some of these people obtain the positions that they have now and he wants them to remember that.
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Kacy
User: kacydia
Date: 2004-11-10 22:39 (UTC)
Subject: Example...
One of major ones he got pushed that thank goodness go overturned by the supreme court was the ban on partial birth abortion. Bush went on television and blasted it. It is a horrible procedure. It is the removal of the fetus' brain in the last trimester. What Bush failed to mention however was that this procedure can only be performed when the baby is indeliverable and the mother's life is in danger.

So basically, our good ol' Mr. President made it illegal to save a woman life by sacrifcing the child.

I can't imagine what it would be like to lose a child. The burdern would be unbearable. But, if I was in the middle of the 20 hour labor and they told me, it was the child or me. I'd like to think I would at least get the choice to live.


Thank god I get another 4 years to fear for my rights.
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Life mostly un-examined.
User: dipster
Date: 2004-11-10 21:38 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
There are a lot of deciding factors that people consider when voting for someone. But a lot of those factors seem like red herrings or non-sequitors to me.

Abortion and/or unborn rights is one of those things that don't affect me directly. If anyone were to ask me what my stand was, I'd have to point out how hypocritical both sides are.

Other things, such as the issue of gay marriage, shouldn't be anyone elses' business except for the people who want one.

Pot for medical use is another "none of my business" issue. If it helps you, great. I won't stand in your way about it.

But noooo.. people use these as deciding issues when there's other things that affects more people going on, such as unemployement and terrorism.
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Pain heals. Chicks dig scars. Glory. Lasts forever
User: dangarion
Date: 2004-11-10 21:46 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
We won the war on terrorism (jk), so I guess it's just unemployment.

Poverty was high on the list as important for people on the liberal side... I think it was poverty and greed (or something like that.
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J.
User: beddheadd
Date: 2004-11-10 21:47 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
Babies are dumb.
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Pain heals. Chicks dig scars. Glory. Lasts forever
User: dangarion
Date: 2004-11-10 21:55 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
Oh come on, babies aren't that bad.
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Princess DuckWeed
User: piroshki
Date: 2004-11-11 05:53 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
They're pretty good with mustard sauce.
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Pain heals. Chicks dig scars. Glory. Lasts forever
User: dangarion
Date: 2004-11-11 05:55 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
Yeah honey mustard.
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ethernetguru
User: ethernetguru
Date: 2004-11-10 22:50 (UTC)
Subject: Abortion Rocks!
The rules and values of our country our founded on the principles of freedom of choice and expression. Moresoover, as time has evolved, our lifestyles and views have changed..but our archaic laws and those in power have not.

Removing the right of abortion is like removing the right to buy a toyota or a ford. Its limiting choice. The freedom of choice is what sets us apart from every other nation in the world.

This entire gay marriage debate is a rightwing debachle based on a book of stories passed down through bedtime stories for hundreds of years before someone decided it would be a good idea to write them down. Things change over time. You don't see us stoning people in the streets do you? So as our culture evolves and changes, so should our laws that govern us.

Oh...

babies ARE dumb. really. Set one outside and see what it does. Even a dog will seek shelter. Babies just crie and deficate on themselves.

Why can't I see the rest of your Journal Dangarion??
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Pain heals. Chicks dig scars. Glory. Lasts forever
User: dangarion
Date: 2004-11-10 23:06 (UTC)
Subject: Re: Abortion Rocks!
Yes babies are dumb, but you were a baby once.
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ethernetguru
User: ethernetguru
Date: 2004-11-10 23:39 (UTC)
Subject: Re: Abortion Rocks!
Yes. I was a baby once.

Now I am a thinking adult.

If my momma would have chosen to abort me, I would not know the difference now.

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Pain heals. Chicks dig scars. Glory. Lasts forever
User: dangarion
Date: 2004-11-11 00:44 (UTC)
Subject: Re: Abortion Rocks!
Exactly. But what's your point?
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ethernetguru: RESISTANCE
User: ethernetguru
Date: 2004-11-11 00:52 (UTC)
Subject: Re: Abortion Rocks!
Keyword:RESISTANCE
That is my point :D

Abortion doesn't mean anything to babies because they are dumb and fetuses aren't even real babies.
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Pain heals. Chicks dig scars. Glory. Lasts forever
User: dangarion
Date: 2004-11-11 00:55 (UTC)
Subject: Re: Abortion Rocks!
Yeah but I didn't say anything about that. Anyway, that's all a matter of opinion as to when a fetus because a baby.
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ethernetguru
User: ethernetguru
Date: 2004-11-11 02:01 (UTC)
Subject: Re: Abortion Rocks!
When a fetus shows cognitive thought, then I think its considered a baby. But you are right...there are no real facts to show when this happens. Its mostly a matter of opinion. Hell..the Catholics think sperm is a sentient being :D
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Pain heals. Chicks dig scars. Glory. Lasts forever
User: dangarion
Date: 2004-11-11 05:56 (UTC)
Subject: Re: Abortion Rocks!
Of course I don't know if we have any particular way to determine that a baby/fetus/sperm has any congnitive thought, do we?
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Princess DuckWeed: hiding
User: piroshki
Date: 2004-11-11 06:12 (UTC)
Subject: I find myself rather disillusioned on the whole...
Keyword:hiding
Perhaps in CA there are fundamental differences.

In the Midwest, I have already started receiving notification from my insurance carrier that access to birth control will almost certainly be reduced, and that the Morning After pill may become completely unavailable, as it is no longer required for the pharmacist to distribute such. They may hand the scrip over to another pharmacist...not "must" or "will" but may.

I have made brief reference to this in my journal several times. Can you really see me with a 28 year old, a 25 year old, and a 24 year old? Honestly? These restrictions being placed on abortion and the like do not account for rape or incest. It is far better, in the eyes of the Righteous Fundamental, for someone to bring to term a life which was forced upon her during an act of hatred, enduring humiliation for those nine months and the eighteen (if not more) years beyond it.

And that is what pisses me off. I don't believe anyone has the right to force their personal beliefs onto another person, regardless of justification. It's not like the human species is going to die out, not unless we kill ourselves off. We are in no danger of underpopulation...quite the opposite, as human infestation has drastically overstressed the natural resources available.

The friends that I have who are gay are less concerned with title than equality. They want to be able to get equal insurance and have equal legal concerns. Two men or two women living together, happily in their own company, hurt their neighbourhood and this nation not one damned bit. Yet to hear the politicians' viewpoint, there will be a mass rage of rutting in the halls. Perhaps they ought to look at society as it stands. Two men holding hands as they walk as compared to upwards of ten couples groping each other and playing tonsil hockey in the aisles of Wal*mart at any given time. What ever happened to common decency and discretion?

You really ought to take a look at the language used in the gay marriage bans. The one that came out in Missouri was particularly ugly.

And, again, it has no place on a ballot initiative where the primary concerns ought to be the safety and stability of the nation.

Which, of course, is currently so far in debt we have to re-establish our own estimation of that debt just so we can continue to function for the next ten months.
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